Oldhammer Goblin Unit & Boss (for KoW)

Today’s update shows off an “Oldhammer” Warhammer Goblin Unit made up of 2nd-3rd Edition models, almost entirely sculpted by Kev Adams back in the day and based on Rounds and turned into a KoW regiment by virtue of some blu-tac and a movement tray. These figures have been painted over quite a few years, with many painted 5-10+ years ago, a couple last year, and the last stragglers done in the last few weeks as part of my “finish those bloody things” drive. I’ll show them off in threes to start with.

Oldhammer Citadel Goblins, Marauder Goblin

Oldhammer Goblin Command Group

The command group of the unit (not that these things matter in the new edition of KoW, but I digress). The leader is “Kleaver” from the Goblin Battle Chariots box set with the addition of a Marauder Goblin Shield. The rest of the crew also found their way into this regiment. I think I started painting them to add to the chariots, which I never got painted and slowly faded into the depths of time. I’ll have to do something about those sometime soonish. Perhaps they can have some plastic crewmen?

Oldhammer Citadel Goblins, Marauder Goblin

Rear View of the Goblin Command group.

The other two are simply command figures from the late 1980’s, probably painted sometime in the 1990’s. I didn’t feel a need for a flag or pennant. Not all standards are giant flags, after all. I gave the musician a Nine Inch Nails back tattoo, since as a gobbo musician he’s clearly really into his industrial music. The leader got a red hood to make him really pop, especially given his chainmail coat and plate boots take away a lot of the opportunity to add colour and interest.

Oldhammer Warhammer Goblins

Oldhammer Goblins

Oldhammer Warhammer Goblins

Rear View of the second trio of Oldhammer Goblins

The next three feature two more from the 80’s command figures – the mod-posed figures are a Champion, a Leader and their cohort is a regular goblin from ’91. Though I think he looks like the sort to be a unit champion with his cute little glaive.

Oldhammer Warhammer Goblins

Three more Oldhammer Goblins. Two were originally Chariot Crew

Two of these three also came off the chariot sets mentioned earlier. The centre spear and hammer. Clearly the “red” spear is a close relation to the Hammer, and no doubt that helped me decide to paint the pair of them at the same time. All three of these were originally painted in the 1990’s…

Oldhammer Warhammer Goblins

Updated Scale Mail and Shield

 

…and then the two on the outer were “re-finished” this year. The copper and Bronze scale mail were originally red, and purple. Hideous, you might say? Yes. The shield was originally absent entirely – just a shield boss sticking out of the back of the figure, painted black – so I decided to add a shield. I went for a leering goblin face design. I’m not entirely happy with it, but it falls under “good enough” for me. I could spend time trying to figure out why I’m not satisfied with it, or I could just move on and do a better job on the next freehand shield. So I’ve chosen the latter.

Oldhammer Warhammer Goblins

A variety of Oldhammer Goblins – Perry, Olley and Adams.

These three are a little more interesting. The first goblin, with the hammer and net is an early slottabase figure, from the C13 Small Goblins range, circa 1985-ish. I haven’t managed to find this specific figure in the catalogues, but it looks to be the same style as figures like “Spear Thruster“, so possibly/probably sculpted by the Perrys. This one was entirely painted recently, and while I’m not super happy with how his musculature came out, the head is fine, and the mohawk was a fun old-school touch.

The other two figures were also painted years ago. The middle figure is one of Bob Olley’s Iron Claw Goblins from 1988. It’s from the same range that the recent Fanatics I shared came from, and he was probably even purchased in the same blister that they came in. I went for something entirely different on his shield, trimming off the edging and painting it in a kind of pseudo-3D goblin moon-face style. Why is the moon red rather than yellow? Probably so it’d stand out more against the green of the goblin’s hide. Dunno. It was an experiment, after all. That’s what the more individual metal models did for me back in the day, before mass plastics were the norm. I liked to experiment with a lot more of my models’ paint jobs, even if it meant that they lacked a unified unit look. The final figure, another of the late-’80’s “champions” also had a shield experiment.

Oldhammer Warhammer Goblins

Old, Oldhammer Goblins.

The narrative to that figure, if you will – is that he painted his shield himself. I always wondered how brutal creatures like Orcs and Goblins, who had brutal and crude weapons and armour always had such fine, delicate and artistic designs on their shields, banners and gear. I decided to paint this guy’s shield as though he’d painted it himself. [See boxout above] Recently. The skull is crude and simple. The blue (and red) paint is messy and spattered everywhere (including on his clothing) and the paint had also pooled at the base of his shield, leading to a mess on the metal where it was leaning on the ground in a pool of paint. Cast yourselves back to your Primary/Elementary School Art Room, and you’ll feel the inspiration for this guy.

On the backside of these three, both the Iron Claw goblin and the art-school candidate had their clothing repainted. Iron Claw boy lost his garish purple and yellow 1990’s tunic and skirt while The Artist’s blue scale mail was repainted in a bright copper.

Oldhammer Heartbreaker Goblin

Heartbreaker Goblin Leader.

Are Heartbreaker miniatures “Oldhammer”? Technically probably not since they were sculpted after Kev Adams left GW’s employ, but then again their aesthetic follows the 3rd Edition Warhammer Fantasy look and feel quite closely. This guy is still available today from Ral Partha Europe/RPE as part of their range of Kev Adams Goblins. I should buy some more of them sometime, but at 2 quid a figure by 12 or 24, that comes to £24/48 or a little shy of AU$50-100 for one unit, which is a bit hard for me to justify to myself right now. I just wish they had discounted unit prices for sets of 10 or 20. Basically, they’re super-cheap for heroes and unit leaders but it adds up quickly if you want to build whole units. (Though they’re probably still cheaper than whatever GW is charging for plastics these days!) Still, this guy is a great figure and for only 2 quid, an easy and easily-justified purchase.

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Heartbreaker Goblin showing why *HE* is Da Boss.

I thought a size comparison would be apt to show how much of a meat axe this guy is compared to the other Warhammer Goblins. And now, The Unit Shots!

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Oldhammer Goblin Regiment for Kings of War – Front.

Oldhammer Warhammer Goblins

Figure Placement within the regiment is important. I wanted to show off the red shield by not hiding it in the midst of the unit.

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This side shows off “The Artist’s” shield, and the very old mid-80’s goblin.

Oldhammer Warhammer Goblins

Rear views are usually the least important in many ways, but back-mounted shields make sense from a thematic standpoint as well as an aesthetic one.

Night Goblin Squig Hoppers and Iron Claw Goblin Fanatics

The first two figures in this update are a pair of the first batch of Squig Hoppers released by GW for 4th Edition WHFB, back in 1991-1992. WHFB3 (the “Oldhammer” edition) didn’t feature Squigs in any form, and goblins were really just goblins. When WHFB4 came around with it’s 40k-codex style army books, Goblins gained several subtypes in a properly-supported form, such as Night and Forest. I seem to recall mentions of Night Goblins predating 4th edition, so there’s that. Night Goblins have kind of become the de facto subtype in more recent years as opposed to the more generic ones from WFFB3. Anyway, I really quite liked these models, and so I collected quite a few of them. One of these two was painted quite awhile ago (5 years? 10? Who knows!) while the other was started right afterwards and only finished last year. It was shown last year in near-complete WIP form at one point, but I never showed off the completed model.

Citadel Night Goblin Squig Hoppers

Night Goblin Squig Hoppers

As I’ve stated elsewhere – sure these Kev Adams sculpts look cartoony, disproportionate, and not especially realistic. But they do have real character. I’m well aware how often “character” is used as a kind of code/excuse for poor sculpting of older models, but here I really do mean it as a positive.

Citadel Night Goblin Squig Hoppers

Rear View of the Squig Hoppers

These models might be a year or two out from “Oldhammer”, but being from the Kev Adams run of goblinoids, they’re Oldhammer and Old-school enough for me. More importantly, they’re great models in their own right that still stand up well today.

Iron Claw Goblin Fanatics

Bob Olley’s Iron Claw Goblin Fanatics

The second pair I’m sharing today were both painted a long, long time ago. Back when I used to actively play WHFB, in fact! These are Bob Olley sculpts – Goblin Fanatics from his Iron Claw range circa 1998. Since they’re painted in the colour scheme of Night Goblins, they’d have been painted during the early days of 4th Edition.

Iron Claw Goblin Fanatics

Goblin Fanatics showing off the Night Goblin Moon, and the Red Eye.

As regular readers will know, I’m not an especially big fan of many of Bob’s sculpts, and these are no exception. Still, back in the day you pretty much only had what was available – and this was it. No eBay, no internet shopping and mail order to GW from Australia was a rare and exciting occurrence. Especially for a teenager or young adult. You can see that the flame motif used on my more recent Night Goblin Fanatics goes way back, though. Because I am nothing if not imaginative and experimental.

With these models being real outliers of the “weird and random” part of the WHFB Orc and Goblin list, they don’t really fit in to a KoW Goblin Army as the list stands right now. Hopefully with the “officially unofficial not-GW army lists” that are supposed to come out later on in the year, these guys will find a home on the tabletop again in 2015.

Iron Claw Goblin Stone Thrower – Fear the Gaze!

Three weeks ago, I put up a post asking what people’s opinions were on how I should rebase this stone thrower, originally painted a hell of a long time ago. Feedback both here and on Dakka was overwhelmingly in favour of round, (as well as my own preference) and so that’s what I did. Unusually in some ways for me, I’ve actually got a follow-up with the finished goods – in no small part due to the “get this stuff finished and outta here” kick I’ve been on lately.

Iron Claw Stone Thrower – Fear the gaze!

Something I never bothered with back in the day was to paint or even glue on the shields on the front. Something I rectified this time. It took awhile to figure out what to paint on them, which accounted for at least a week of the painting time – in the end I went for “realistic” Red Eyes, given that they can work well enough for either Warhammery goblinoids or the vassals of the Dark Lord Sauron. They also have a suitably “old-school” feel to tie in with the Warhammer Fantasy Battle Third Edition feel of the model – and really create an entirely new, really strong focal point for the model, as we naturally look people and “things” in the eyes. I toned down the original Goblin Face masthead slightly by going over the bright red-orange “sideburns” I’d painted originally with some copper/bronze, though I left the rest of it in the green it was originally painted in, just adding some darkness at the base of the horns.

Iron Claw Stone Thrower – rear view.

I also toned down some of the other stuff, like the blue padding on the crossbar, and brightened up the brass metal areas a little as well. I left the bright goblin-face filigree and decoration untouched. As per some of the suggestions, I added some ammo to the base, and some static grass and tufts to make it into a slight mini-diorama – and also left some spaces for crew – though as you can see, the Orcs you see here don’t entirely fit on the base. I used a spare Mierce base I had sitting around since it was more or less the right size and had some kind of direction/facing markings on it, to help mark out the 90 degree front firing arc for KoW.

Oldhammer Orcs crew the Iron Claw Stone Thrower

Some of these Orc crewmen were in semi-painted limbo for years until 2014 when they got finished, others were originally painted over a decade ago. They’ll work as stand-ins for now, since I think I threw away the original Bob Olley goblin crewmen.

“I fink dey’re over dere?” Oldhammer Orcs load Bob Olley’s Stone Thrower

Not dat way, you idiots.. dis way!

Ultimately, I’m very happy with the way this one turned out. It’s the best kind of update, really. Taking a model that I had considered an old piece of junk that I pretty much disliked, and turning it into something that I actually actively like. The last major example of this was Golfag’s Ogres, who had a similar kind of update last year.

 

 

From the Painting Desk #8 – How should I base this Stone Thrower?

Another model in my “Clean up this bloody messy desk and shelf by finishing stuff” series – This Bob Olley-sculpted Iron Claw Stone thrower was first painted by myself way back in the dark ages of the late 1980’s, not too long after its release in 1988. The goblin crew have been lost to the ages due to my general dislike of Bob’s sculpting style (aside from Ogres and Ogryns), but the war machine remained, albeit somewhat grudgingly.

Bob Olley’s Iron Claw Goblin Stone Thrower

Now it’s time for the resurrection. I’ll be adding this to my Kings of War Orc and/or Goblin force (they’re separate armies in KoW, and only Goblins have much in the way of war machines) when I get around to painting more of my old-school models. In the meantime it can fit in with whoever else is on the table with appropriate crew, perhaps as war booty.

As regular readers know, I’ve been rebasing my old WHFB models to have 25mm round bases for KoW and other games, and because I generally prefer them. The exceptions being larger monsters like Ogres – though I’ve continued to give War Machines round bases. After some looking around at options, I’m still not sure what to do with this one. While it fits on a 60mm round, it’s clearly much too small. My next options are the 80mm round, and the 50x75mm square (rectangle) – and I’m really not sure which to go for.

Option A: 50x75mm rectangle

Option A: 50x75mm rectangle

With that in mind, here are a couple of pictures. Please vote or comment to help me decide. The rectangular base makes it more of a discrete piece, while the round base would allow some crew to be placed on the edges of the base (on their own bases).

Option B: 80mm Round

 

Option B: 80mm Round

 

I’ll leave this up for a few days and make a decision later next week. Just a note, even if 100% of the vote is one way, I absolutely can be swayed by a well-argued point the other way. Compatibility with WHFB is something I don’t give two hoots about, though! Once I decide, I’ll do any touch ups/cover ups or repaints I think the model needs, base it, and then post again with the completed renovation! The good news is that it shouldn’t take long either way. 🙂

 

Update! I got it finished!