Red Box Games: Lesser Undead (Zombies!) Size Comparison.

So recently I got over enough of my butthurt from the initial RBG Kickstarter campaign enough to fish these Zombies out of the box. I still haven’t QAed the rest of the box or anything, and I can’t recall the rest of what I got, but I’ll worry about that later. (I do recall that I didn’t get any horses, though!)

Anyway, as part of the Undead Army that I’m putting together for Marouda, I decided that some Zombies would be quick and easy enough to paint. So just before I prime them and start with the painting, I thought I’d do a scale post and review of them, since Tre’ still hasn’t done one. In fact, I’ve just added a new category to the page so people can find these things more easily since I still get a lot of hits from people searching out this information, so this way it will be a little easier to find.

First up, let me state that these figures that I have are made of Trollcast, not metal, as the current ones are. The current ones appear to be the exact same sculpts however, and anyone who likes finely sculpted, detailed undead miniatures should be thankful that these things still exist in a form that you can purchase them in. Tre’ was actually so disheartened by the whole KS experience that he didn’t want to remaster any of these figures in metal, since he thought that he’d sold as many as he ever could or would of them via the KS campaign. Luckily several of us over on Dakka managed to talk sense into him, and these and other figures are now available to purchase in metal.

Red Box Games Lesser Undead/Zombies. 20mm round base as supplied on left. 25mm “traditional” slotabase on right.

The next most important thing to point out is that the bases these figures come with, and are pictured with over on RBG’s site are 20mm round bases. They are not the more common 25mm round bases that most Warhammer 40k and other range figures have come with for the past 25 years. Tre’ has explained that he uses the most appropriate bases for the figures, with no attempt or intention to mislead anyone. He’s also said that he’ll re-photograph his various figures and show them next to a ruler, etc. Well, that still hasn’t happened, and so it’s down to blog posts like these and the occasional thread on forums to show the actual sizes of RBG’s various models.

Red Box Games Lesser Undead Zombies on 20mm and 25mm Square bases

As you’ve no doubt already checked out – the figures are finely detailed, beautiful sculpts. They’re really not rotting zombies, nor do they have the distended bellies of the recently departed. They’ve got a shrivelled, almost mummified look to them. The nods to more traditional zombie models are the twisted, distorted poses, and the semi-skeletal faces.

As you can see, they fill out both types of 20mm bases quite well, and have a bit of space on the 25mm ones. Since I’m basing all single models of this size on 25mm rounds these days, that’s what I’ll be doing, but at least you can get a better idea of their size than from the typical pictures of them showing them mounted on 20mm rounds.

Red Box Games Lesser Undead/Zombies mounted on several types of base for comparison. 20mm round, 20mm sqare, 25mm round, 25mm Square

At this point, I’ll provide a bunch of photos comparing them to other manufacturers’ zombies, and a few other undead in the hope of making this useful for those looking to use them in their army building or zombie hordes. I should probably do a few updates for my own painted undead models.

Red Box Games, Citadel/GW, RBG, Citadel/GW

As you can see, the height is comparable to GW/Citadel models, but there’s a huge proportional difference.

Red Box Games, Mantic, RBG, Mantic

The Mantic zombies are slighter than the GW ones, but still of a very different set of proportions to the RBG.

Red Box Games, Zombicide, RBG, Zombicide Fatty

A lot of people interested in this genre have Zombicide these days, so here’s a couple of Guillotine Games/CMoN’s Zombicide figures. Despite the Zombicide models being overall a smidgen taller. and the RBG ones nominally being “fantasy” models, they’re still generic enough to fit in with “moderns” like the Zombicide figures, and are close enough in height and proportion to work alongside the board game’s figures,  Just paint them as though they’re wearing torn jeans and hospital gowns.

Red Box Games, Last Night on Earth, RBG, LNoE

Flying Frog Productions’ Last Night on Earth is also a popular and fun Zombie game. Shame they seem too incompetent to figure out how to ship their Kickstarter products to Australia (though they’ll do it immediately with free shipping if you buy from their webstore!) Anyway, their figures are a little taller than Red Box’ ones, but close enough so that they would fit in together.

Red Box Games, D&D Miniatures, RBG, Harlequin (Black Tree)

Both the D&D Miniature (Wizards of the Coast) and the Harlequin are quite different in proportion to the RBG Zombies. Both are far close to Mantic and Citadel scale.

 

Now for some larger lineups. I had to set up to take several photos since the line got too long. Just be aware to look at not only the head heights but the base heights as well. I can see I forgot to add Mantic’s Zombies in these larger group shots. Ah well, they’re still up the page. C’est la vie!

Zombicide, Red Box Games, Citadel, Studio Miniatures, Last Night on Earth, Harlequin, D&D Miniatures, Reaper (Bones)

Red Box Games, Studio Miniatures, RGB, Zombicide, RBG, Zombicide (Fatty), RBG

Red Box Games, Citadel, RBG, Citadel, D&D, RBG

Red Box Games, Reaper (Bones), RBG, Harlequin, RBG, Mantic Undead Wraith, RBG, Last Night on Earth

 

And now for more of a wider view against other appropriate figures:

Red Box Games, Citadel’s Lord of the Rings Barrow-Wight, RBG, Barrow-Wight

Citadel’s pretty true-scale Barrow-Wights absolutely dwarf the RBG models. This was a surprise to me since these LotR models are quite slight in many ways. I guess they are very much powerful hero-types, though.

Red Box Games, Citadel LotR Army of the Dead (Metal), RBG, Citadel

Again, I was surprised at how large the Army of the Dead figures seem in comparison to the RBG ones. I think an important thing to note here is that even though Citadel’s Lord of the Rings/Hobbit line is nominally “truescale”, there’s still been quite a substantial variety in their sizes between their sculpts over the past 15 years…

Red Box Games, Citadel Warrior of Minas Tirith, RBG, Citadel

…as can be seen from these Warriors of Minas Tirith. Tre’s Zombies are perfectly scaled alongside these guys.

Red Box Games, Wargames Foundry “Greek” Skeleton, RBG, Foundry

Back to the undead. These WIP Wargames Foundry figures are the only fully appropriate ones I have from this company to share the comparison shot with the RBG zombies. As you can see, these are a little smaller than their GW cousins, but still much larger proportionately than the RBG zombies. Nature of the beat when you’re talking about Skeletons in metal, I’m afraid.

Red Box Games, Citadel “Skeleton Horde” Plastic Skeleton, RBG, Citadel

Citadel’s Skeleton Horde came out in 1986 – one of Games Workshop’s first plastic kits. It was used as the mainstay for their Undead range for a solid 25-odd years afterwards. The Zombies shown above have their slightly odd proportions due to being compatible with these skeletons. Like the Foundry Skeletons above, thicker pieces was needed for sturdiness, but makes them wildly disproportionate to the RBG models.

Red Box Games, Citadel Tomb Kings, RBG, Citadel

Citadel’s line of Tomb Kings Undead are also scaled to be compatible with the very old Skeleton Horde figures above. As such, and with their additional armour, they loom hugely over the RBG Zombies. Also note the smaller height of the bases used by the Tomb Kings here.

Red Box Games, Reaper (Bones), RBG, Reaper

Most of Reaper’s Undead (Bones pictured here) are often slighter than GW’s ones, but still much chunkier than the RBG line. Though as an apparent exception, the unpainted Reaper Bones Zombie up the page looks quite compatible with the RBG ones. Reaper’s range is another that’s grown over decades with many dozens of sculptors in that time (including Tre’ Manor), so like the various Citadel ranges, there’s no “true” consistent scale or style.

Red Box Games, Citadel Ghoul (metal), RBG, Citadel

One of my favourite sets of Citadel’s undead ranges through the years has been these metal Ghouls. While they’re quite lithe and thin compared to much of the Warhammer range, they still look far bulkier than the RBG zombies.

Red Box Games, Fireforge Foot Templar, RBG, Fireforge

Since I had these open and partly-assembled, I thought I’d add in some of these as well. Fireforge’s historical figures are typically “truescale” as so many others are, and would scale well with the Lord of the Rings models, but again appear rather “heroic” compared to the Red Box models. Especially in their head size.

Red Box Games, Citadel Plastic Space Marine, RBG

And lastly, both because it appears to be the law when it comes to figure sizing pictures, and because it is actually incredibly useful for many people, a Plastic (Multipart) Citadel Space Marine. This one is on the traditional 25mm base.

 

So…

Should you buy them? Only you can answer that. Hopefully I’ve included enough comparative photos and notes to make some buying choices a little easier. I personally have no regrets on having picked these up in the KS. I’ll mix in a couple of Zombicide’s Zombie Dogs to make a unit for the KoW Undead Army. Since I’ve got a ton of Mantic and Citadel Zombies, it’s doubtful I’ll need to buy more, since having my units all the exact same size isn’t something terribly important as long as each distinct unit looks good (I’m using Historical miniatures and GW ones in these armies, after all). For less than three bucks each though – for metals of this quality, I’ve got no hesitation in recommending them to people on the fence about them. Just be forewarned about their size, and ok with it before ordering them.

Red Box Games – Orc Sizing comparisons

Since Tre’ still hasn’t gotten any kind of meaningful size comparisons of his figures up, aside from typing what amounts to a lot of hurfblurf about his figures being in their own unique scale, and the way that everyone else in the industry measures their figures being wrong, it once again falls to the community to work out and share the information. Especially in light of some RBG figures coming on round 20mm bases, others on 25mm bases, and most being tiny compared to other ranges. Except, apparently, things like these Orcs.

These pictures were originally posted on Dakka by Da Boss, and are rehosted here in our cooperative attempt to share the information.

Red Box Games Orc, Citadel Space Marine

Red Box Games Orc from Warriors A set, Citadel Space Marine

Citadel Night Goblin, Red Box Games Goblin, Citadel Space Marine

Red Box Games Orcs in a lineup of figures. GW Goblin, RBG Goblin, RBG Orc, ????, RBG Orc, GW Orc, RBG Orc, GW Marine

I’ll do some more of my own when I have time to take photos. We might have more from Da Boss as well, soon.

Some links to these figures at RBG’s online store:

RBG Orcs

RBG Goblins

 

Previous RBG size comparisons I’ve posted are:

Dwarves

Various figures compared with their Citadel LotR Counterparts

How big *is* that Red Box Games Dwarf, anyway?

Probably as a result of my previous comparison of Red Box Games’ figures with GW’s LotR figures, and the current Red Box Games Kickstarter. I got asked if I could compare the RBG Dwarves to “regular” GW Dwarves and others. I do have a bunch of Mantic’s ones, but they got packed away with most of my recent-ish GW Plastic Dwarves. But I did have a few metals around as well in one of my figure boxes, so I’ve taken a few pics to hopefully help out.

L-R: D&D Miniatures, Reaper Bones, Old GW (Bugman!), Red Box Games, GW LotR, 90’s GW, Reaper Warlords.

Female Dwarves. Not a common breed of models. GW on the left, Red Box Games on the Right.

As can be clearly seen, the RBG ones fit in decently with the LotR figures, but neither fit in that well with GW’s stuff. Reaper’s on the other hand, appear to fit in near perfectly with the GW figures. The D&D figure doesn’t quite fit in with either, as he has the finer detail and more realistic proportions of the RBG/LotR stuff but the larger size of the GW/Reaper figures.

Some Red Box Dwarf Miniatures with a ruler in both mm and inches for accurate sizing.

A ruler to show some size comparisons across the RBM dwarves. I think some variation is good. Look around at your peers at work or at school – you’re not all the same height!

Dwarves vs Gnoll!

And finally, a comparison of Tre’s RBG Dwarves and one of his earlier sculpts for Reaper – in “Bones” form – A Gnoll Warrior. It’s probably also worth mentioning Reaper Miniatures’ current Kickstarter.

Any more requests for sizes and such – just PM me or leave a comment and I’ll do what I can!

Red Box Games – Size Comparisons with GW Lord of the Rings figures.

Yesterday I eagerly received my order of minis from Tre’ Manor aka Red Box Games. He’s done a lot of work for Reaper Miniatures in the past. Some of my GW links may be mangled or die soon as GW is in the process of changing their metal stuff to Finecast with many items seemingly discontinued.

Red Box Games Halfling Ollander, Citadel Lord of the Rings Hobbit Frodo

Ollander and Frodo

Ollander Elsewhetherornot of Mootshire from RBG with Frodo Baggins from GW. Ollander is noticably shorter than Mr Frodo, but still fits in well as a Hobbit, especially when you take into account that not all humans are the same height in real life.

Red Box Games Dwarf Brynjar Gunnar, Citadel Lord of the Rings Khazad Guard

Brynjar Gunnar and a Khazad Guard

Brynjar Gunnar from RBG and a Khazad Guard from GW. As can be seen, the sizes are 100% compatible. Oddly this Khazad Guard doesn’t seem to be available from GW at the moment…

Red Box Games Dwarves Hostrum Hammersmite, Gunnar, Citadel Lord of the Rings Khazad Guard

Hostrum Hammersmite, Gunnar and Khazad Guard

Another shot showing Dwarf with Dvergr. Hostrum Hammersmite is added here, who I’ll use as a Dwarf King or General type figure. I’d have compared with one of my GW Dwarf Kings as well, but they’re packed away in a box. Somewhere. Very happy with the RBG Dvergr/Dwarfs – I picked up almost a dozen of the various figures to mix in with my GW ones and add some nice personality to the force.

Red Box Games Norse Fearless Hvitarnor, Citadel Lord of the Rings Boromir

Fearless Hvitarnor and Boromir

Fearless Hvitarnor from RBG and Boromir from GW. I picked up a couple of the Norse-themed Njorn range, somewhat to use as Dunlendings. Again, my Dunlendings are …somewhere, so Boromir gets size comparison duty. I purchased Hvitarnor because he reminded me of Conan, right down to the pose, facial expression and helmet.

Red Box Games Astrid, Yrsa, Citadel Lord of the Rings Eowyn, Shieldmaiden of Rohan

Astrid, Eowyn and Yrsa

I decided to use a female figure from GW’s LotR range to compare with the RBG ones. Here’s Eowyn in the middle, with RBG’s Astrid of the Stones on our left and Yrsa the Accursed from the HelsVakt range on the right. I bought these two mostly because they’re good looking figures, though perhaps they could both be used in friendly games using the rules and stats from one of the Stormcaller or Shaman characters.

Red Box Games Elf Christia the Chaste, Citadel Lord of the Rings Eowyn, Shieldmaiden of Rohan

Christia the Chaste and Eowyn, Shieldmaiden of Rohan

Christia the Chaste from RBG’s Aelfar (Elves) range along Eowyn again. I really liked the Aelfar figures, so just as I bought a big bunch of the Dvergr, I did the same with the Aelfar.

Red Box Games Yvander, Edele, Citadel Lord of the Rings Legolas

Yvander, Legolas and Edele

A few more Aelfar. Yvander Halfblood from RBG, Legolas from GW (seems this one is discontinued) and Edele of Aelheim from RBG. No prizes for guessing where these guys would be used.

Red Box Games Halfblood Sverreulf the Red-Handed, Citadel Lord of the Rings Uruk Captain, Gothmog

Uruk Captain, Sverreulf the Red-Handed and Gothmog

Uruk-Hai Captain from GW,  Sverreulf the Red-Handed from RBG and Gothmog from GW. RBG’s Halfblood range is interesting. When browsing it, this guy stood out to me as a figure that would make an effective Orc Captain, especially amongst the non-uniform plastic orcs. Again this Gothmog figure appears to be discontinued, though since it’s the same figure as was widely available with the Battle for Middle Earth magazines, I don’t see a shortage of this figure happening anytime soon.

That’s it for tonight. I picked up a bunch of other RBG figures at the same time as these, but these pics should give anyone interested in using these figures alongside the GW LotR ones for any kind of Middle-Earth miniatures of Role-Playing games (MERP!) a good idea of what would work.